Instructor: Rainsong
Date: March 10, 2018 (Saturday)
Rainsong
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another psionics seminar here at the social club.
By request, tonight’s topic is the use of chakras and other energy systems in psionics.
More to the point, I was asked how I use chakras, and other systems.
Rainsong
The answer to the first part of the question is pretty easy: I generally don’t.
I’ve trained with them in half a dozen contexts, but typically I don’t use that model.
We’ll be discussing it, anyway…
Rainsong
Before we get to the meat of the matter, are there any questions or comments?
Rainsong
Nobody?
Rainsong
Alright, then.
Rainsong
There are people who believe that unless you believe in chakras that you’ll never be able to do any energy work.
Rainsong
I was told as much, in reference to PK, in as many words. “If you don’t believe in chakras, you’ll never be able to do PK.”
Rainsong
That was in a magic forum, almost twenty years ago.
Rainsong
I laughed at her.
Scelana
I was running a bit late had to take care of a few things hehe
Rainsong
(I’d already been doing PK for longer than she’d been alive.)
Rainsong
As they are usually understood in these kinds of communities, “chakras” are energy vortex things based more or less on the Theosophical Society’s early folks kinda-sorta understanding of the concept…
Rainsong
They can be a useful model.
Rainsong
Personally, I’m inclined to believe that when people use chakras, they are using thoughtforms or constructs made in accordance with that person’s understanding of the idea.
Rainsong
They are round wheel-shape things, and usually the main ones run along the front and back of the body’s midline.
Rainsong
Sometimes people have other ones on the hands, knees, etc.
Rainsong
If you do Reiki, Chios, Theosophical stuff, Quantum Touch, or similar studies, you’ll probably come across them.
Rainsong
Smile, nod, and make note of the places the instructor says to do stuff.
Rainsong
It can be interesting to notice if the instructor and/or other students actually have any such wheel-vortices in their fields anywhere. Some do.
Rainsong
Questions? Comments?
Flux
Nope. More or less fits with my own experiences.
Rainsong
Apparently the word is of Sanscrit origin, which makes sense, given that the Theosophists “borrowed” the idea from India
Flux
I know a Buddhist that commented that the crown chakra is very different from the rest. Dunno if that’s something common in his form of Buddhism (Tibetan) or if that’s something in Hinduism too.
Flux
They stated it was just an opening.
Rainsong
I don’t know enough about the Hindu idea or ideas about them to answer that.
Wayfarer
Hi there. Tibetan Buddhist here, “crown chakra is different from the rest” would be tricky on account of Tibetan Buddhism uses chakras ritually but does not assert that they exist as “things.”
Flux
Hey Tibetan Buddhist. 😀
Wayfarer
i.e., you use them as tools for visualization, but they don’t “actually exist” in any real way. More, they are locations used for practices for visualization. For similar reasons the idea that there are 7 (or 8) chakras and that they are universally accepted is, well, not really a thing. There are anywhere between 2 and 84,000 depending on the practice you’re doing.
Flux
I think my friend was Kagyu. Don’t know what that means.
Wayfarer
Kagyu is a school, there are several flavors of Kagyu. I’m a disciple of the Drikung Kagyu school in particular.
Flux
Ah.
Flux
He mentioned it when telling me something about phowa.
Flux
But sorry to derail.
Rainsong
We’re still on topic.
Wayfarer
Kagyu is in fact a family of schools. Phowa uses just one chakra, the “crown” is an aperture or opening out of which the consciousness is projected in that practice.
Flux
Okay. 😀
Rainsong
And this is still technically in a “questions and comments” section
Wayfarer
So it’s “different” in that it’s not a “center” but rather a hole in yo head.
Flux
Right. I had some difficulty with that until I tried Rainsong’s method and mashed them together.
Wayfarer
Incidentally the Drikung Kagyu Phowa is the most famous, so it’s possible your friend is a Drikung Kagyupa.
Flux
The first time I tried it, felt like someone stabbed me in my head.
Flux
Could be. I have spoke to him in a long time.
Flux
Haven’t.
Wayfarer
I was actually just kicking around the idea of doing directed study research on astral projection and phowa and chod as cross-cultural comparisons but that is straying from topic. :v
Flux
He did that too! Chod. Had a drum thing with human bone powder.
Flux
And a weird hat with things that dangled in front of his face. Okay. Back to chakras.
Rainsong
If you want to use chakras in your practice and you haven’t studied any of the methods that teach them as a matter of course, a quick web-search will pull up any number of charts, illustrations, and all the correspondences you could ever want: colours, locations, uses, emotions, internal organs, Western horoscopes (I wish I were kidding…)….
Flux
(Would be interested in that study.)
Rainsong
Another system in common usage (and one I do use on a regular basis) is the system of meridians and acupuncture points.
Rainsong
The “meridians” are (supposed to be) pathways for qi/ki the flow through the body, and most of the meridians are associated with a major organ.
Rainsong
Strangely, meridians associated with a given organ (are supposed to) occur even in animals who do not have and never have had the organ in question.
Rainsong
For example, horses have gall-bladder meridians.
Rainsong
Horses have no gall-bladder, and no use for such an organ.
Rainsong
There’s your trivia for the day.
Rainsong
The acupuncture points lie along the meridians at various intervals, where the meridians are at the surface of the body. (They dip into the body at a number of spots.)
Rainsong
Again, a quick web-search will get you all manner of charts and maps. And there are “dolls”/mannequins offered for sale with the meridians and points marked on them.
Rainsong
In fact, it was customary at one time for the exams for acupuncturists in China to be done by means of a statue covered in wax. the statue had holes at the points the student was expected to be able to find, and the wax served to conceal those points.
Rainsong
It also served to hold in the water the statue was filled with. 😛
Rainsong
More trivia for the day.
Rainsong
In some traditions, it is customary or considered useful to run your hands along the meridians. And sometimes, to run them backwards to backwash them… like clearing a ceramic water filter.
Rainsong
Each meridian is connected to other ones at either end, making a big circuit, basically. The qi is supposed to just flow in one direction through the circuit, for the most part. So, yea, there’s a “backwards” and “forwards”
Rainsong
Acupuncturists stick little sharp things called “needles” into points along the meridian.
Rainsong
Acupressurists press on the points.
Rainsong
Folks who do EFT and similar “energy tapping” methods? Most of them are tapping on acupressure points, for the most part. (Some of the tapping points are not acupuncture points, however.)
Rainsong
Congestion along the meridian is considered bad.
Rainsong
Congestion anywhere else in your field tends to be bad, too.
Rainsong
Questions? Comments?
Flux
Nope.
Flux
Well one.
Flux
Do you ever use constructs to clean out blockages?
Rainsong
Tong Ren uses this system, too. It’s like acupuncture, except you stick the needles in a doll or paper figure instead of the person.
Flux
Neat! Like sympathetic acupuncture.
Rainsong
Constructs to clear blockages? Yes, that’s part of what the “curry comb” part of my usual mode of cleaning the field is for.
Rainsong
The basic blue-psiball method also (sometimes) clears a blockage.
Rainsong
Exactly sympathetic acupuncture. 😀 Possession of dress-makers’ pins is not restricted in most places, and they work pretty well for Tong Ren… Also, because the pins don’t touch the client/patient, you don’t have to worry about contamination of the tools.
Rainsong
You don’t even need to be in the same country as the person you’re working on.
Flux
I like it.
Rainsong
The name “Tong Ren” refers back to that statue I mentioned, that was used for traditional acupuncture exams.
Rainsong
(The guy who developed the system doesn’t like the obvious comparison to voodoo dolls, because he doesn’t want to sully the reputation of Voodoo practitioners. He has a high degree of respect for several priests of that religion whom he knows personally.)
Rainsong
Other questions? Comments?
Flux
Nope. Interesting stuff is my only comment right now.
Rainsong
There are a number of systems that describe various “layers” of the field. And many of them ascribe different purposes and significances to them. I don’t have anything particularly useful to say about these….
Flux
I thought the Hands of Light stuff was neat.
Rainsong
… except that any “aura-reading” exercises that relies on eye-fatigue, and causes the appearance of a (usually pale blue or pale grey) haze about an inch thick all around the body is just presenting an illusion via the afore-mentioned eye-fatigue.
Flux
I see that stuff all the time. 🙁
Rainsong
Barbara Brennan’s book (“Hands of Light”) was recommended to me by a friend in Portugal, years ago. It’s not my cup of tea, but it was exactly what a local friend of mine needed.
Rainsong
If it works for you, run with it.
Rainsong
Or if it suits you.
Flux
nods
Flux
I can’t not see it, so…
Flux
Also, it seems to be reactive.
Rainsong
If what you’re seeing “does stuff” instead of just following the movement of the body it outlines, you’re probably fine.
Flux
nods
Rainsong
If not, I’d suggest consulting an eye-doctor. Or possibly a neurologist.
Flux
It does. It sometimes connects people who know each other well. It can even change shape with emotion and thought. Anger makes these weird things shoot out.
Flux
But this is my odd ball thing, and not something I really understand.
Rainsong
Not to worry. Observe what it does, and make note of what the various movements and other changes appear to correspond to… such as the “weird things shooting out” with anger.
Flux
I do, just not formally. I’m bad about documenting.
Rainsong
Fair enough.
Rainsong
Any other questions? Comments?
Rainsong
Remember: Next week is a discussion of a research paper.
Flux
Looking forward to it.
Rainsong
Thanks for participating. Be well, all
Flux
You too. 😀
Scelana
Thxies for the lecture
Rainsong
😀