Instructors: Rainsong & ShadowRain
Date: February 8, 2017 (Thursday)
Rose
hmm. is there anything i can do in terms of practicing EM / psionics while i am in bad health like this, to at least avoid getting too rusty?
ShadowRain
personally I’d go with some gentle grounding/centering/field cleaning, and maybe meditation. beyond that I wouldn’t worry about it
ShadowRain
you’ll make far more progress while healthy than if you try while sick and it interferes with you getting well
Rose
reading Rainsong’s guide [http://psc-online.org/2004/05/grounding/], immediately applied her “dump all negative energy into an inanimate object that’s connected to the ground” as soon as i read it..
ShadowRain
hehe
ShadowRain
also, when I was new and had trouble grounding, for some reason grounding into metal objects was easier.
Rose
have you seen the ridiculous grounding method i develped over the years?
ShadowRain
bunch of reasons that could be, even placebo, but it helped me so shrug
ShadowRain
yeah you posted it lol
ShadowRain
the overly complicated one?
Rose
yeah O.O rainsong’s one is SO MUCH simpler
ShadowRain
yes 😛
Rose
from this article it looks like grounding is another technique that might work when my mind starts clouding up before a blackout
Rainsong
ShadowRain: Metal makes grounding easier for a lot of people. Not sure why.
ShadowRain
nods
Rose
metal.. i should try.
Rose
“<RainTurtle> And also, bear in mind that overloading your system too much can still cause irreparable nerve damage ” well, that is good to know….
Rose
okay. now i know how to ground! 😀
Rose
can’t believe it was that simple… and that i went along my practice without it.
Rainsong
Most of the rudiments are simple. Many of them require a certain amount of practice, but they don’t need to be complicated …. UNLESS your mind is geared toward the complicated ceremonial stuff (and sometimes not even then). If complicated stuff suits you, run with it.
Rose
no, i dislike the complicated ceremonial stuff
Scelana
I usually use a slightly modified visual of Rainsong’s muddy water method but it’s just cause how I see some things within myself that make the difference
Rose
i do too. I visualise it as black gunk inside my ES [energy system]
Scelana
I ground more than gunk/ick in my case
Rainsong
Good. Adapt the visuals to suit how you view things.
Rose
😀
Scelana
So i see stuff outside the black and brown ick/gunk
Rose
the important part was the connection to the Earth that’s hard to make when i haven’t grounded for too long
Rose
or when something else is wrong
Rainsong
shakes head It’s a literal connection to the earth. Touch the ground… Or touch something that connects to the ground.
Rose
yeah.. i basically tried to connect to the planet like i connect to people
Rainsong
Lay your hands flat on the floor, palm downward. And just run stuff through there.
Scelana
And if I’m including more than just my field i see my own energy become what i primarily see in my pathways instead of clear where the pathways are as i ground
Rose
that’s so much easier..
Rose
I’m reading the article on centering now [http://psionguild.org/education/articles/foundation/grounding-centering/]. From the sound of it, i am definitely very off-center
Rose
Rainsong, do feet work too? Using your feet to run stuff through instead of your hands?
Rainsong
Rose: Yes
Rose
“To center, one focuses their awareness on the point of which they define as them.” Does focusing on the whole body count, instead of just one point?
ShadowRain
think of it more as whatever feels the most like “you”
ShadowRain
the part of you that’s most you
Rose
well… my body doesn’t feel like me
Rose
it feels like a vessel
ShadowRain
then no 🙂
ShadowRain
right
ShadowRain
it doesn’t mean focus on a physical point
Rose
well, say i am partially projecting somewhere, that means i’m partially not in my body, right? So, where would i center?.. A point within my projection body? But that’s external…
Rose
but my projection body, or whatever the term for it is… that feels like me >.<
ShadowRain
Rose: if you are projecting, what’s you?
Rose
i… don’t know
ShadowRain
(answer: you)
ShadowRain
however, to answer what I think your question was
ShadowRain
make sure that point that is “you” is back in your body when centering, because centering does kind of include the physical, and centering while you’re elsewhere can be extremely painful 😛
Rose
okay
Rose
oof… no idea where that point would be
Rose
perhaps i should ask another question so this becomes less vague
Rose
If i’m partially projecting, what’s even happening? Am I splitting off my soul? splitting off my consciousness? creating a new energy body out of nothing that I then shift consciousness into?
ShadowRain
if you’re partially projecting you’re moving your center of awareness/attention from “here” to your astral body
Rose
and that astral body is normally inside the physical body, correct?
ShadowRain
eh? it’s the astral, it’s not always correlated to the physical
ShadowRain
(completely ignore all those cute new age diagrams of the aura please, they’re inaccurate)
Rose
(haha)
Rose
generally when i partially project, i focus on the place i want to project to and go there… without paying much attention to where my astral body was in the first place, though usually that seems to be back at “home base” (my physical body). Usually when i finish projecting i also pull my astral body back into my physical body…
ShadowRain
nods
ShadowRain
basically there’s a you that is your consciousness. it’s what you experience as you, the you that hears your thoughts, the you that feels your emotions, etc. find you, and then bring all of yourself including the physical into line. (I used to use concentric circles kinda, that worked decently)
ShadowRain
so if you want, imagine centering your astral body on your physical body as well
Rose
whoa
Rose
that’s… a new experience
ShadowRain
good/bad?
Rose
good!
ShadowRain
good 🙂
Rose
okay. that’s something i’ve never experienced before but it feels quite good…
ShadowRain
the first time you get centering right it can feel awesome
Rose
it literally feels like pulling it all back into line
Rose
in a hard to describe way
ShadowRain
nods
Rose
anything that was scattered anywhere, all parts of me back into line
ShadowRain
it’s probably been everywhichway and scattered for a while… so… being back where it is supposed to be feels good
Rose
sure does!
Rose
wow….
Rose
but isn’t this more than just centering?
Rose
isn’t centering itself just the act of focusing on “you”?
ShadowRain
no
ShadowRain
focusing on you can help, but centering is actually… bringing everything back to center
ShadowRain
you are the center, but centering is actually getting stuff to line up
Rose
i don’t even know what some of it was.
Rose
that i lined up
ShadowRain
which is fine, there’s a lot of different things, and everyone has a different theory
ShadowRain
….I legit have to include time when I center because I move around temporally too much
Rose
when should i center?
ShadowRain
once is a day is a decent practice, though when you get back from projecting is good too
ShadowRain
I used to do it in the morning to kind of start my day on the right foot lol
Rose
i actually feel more energetic now… o.O
Rose
@ShadowRain what is “field cleaning”?
Bluh
take a fuckin shower you hippie
ShadowRain
Sometimes it’s included in grounding, it’s getting all the gunk off your energy field
ShadowRain
Rainsong did a lecture on field maintenance recently that isn’t on sunora yet… [http://psc-online.org/2017/11/field-maintenance-and-hygiene/]
Rose
seems like “energy field” is something i need to learn about…
ShadowRain
It’s just your aura
ShadowRain
The energy around you
Rose
ohh, okay! 😀
Rose
does that include or exclude the energy inside your ES itself?
ShadowRain
Uhhh I generally exclude the internal stuff, it’s more structured
Rose
nods
Rose
i have a follow-up question about grounding…
Rose
when i dump energy into an inanimate object that touches the ground, where does that energy go? does it stay in the object, or travel like electricity down into the earth?
ShadowRain
Sometimes it’ll stay in the object, some will probably go to ground and equalize out.
ShadowRain
Especially if the thing is touching the ground, hence the people who bury stuff they want to clean
Rose
if it does stay in the object.. what can i do to make it go down into the earth?
ShadowRain
Ground the object lol. Basically run energy through it carrying all the gunk into the ground (sorta like running water through a muddy pipe till the water runs clear)
Rose
ohh!
Rose
alright, will do
Rose
and… once it reaches the floor?
Rainsong
the “Stuff” seems to dissipate in the soil, sometimes being drawn up into roots (some plants like the stuff)
Rose
but i’m grounding while inside a building
ShadowRain
Visualize/intend that it goes into the ground
ShadowRain
Energy can go through physical stuff
Nevyn
don’t ground through your phone or computer :joy:
Rainsong
Like lightning rods on buildings… just keeps going down to the ground, usually following some kind of “conductor” but can arc across air, too.
Rose
i grounded through my mattress >.<
Rainsong
But, it is not electricity as such
Rose
ahhh okay, so when i ground into an inanimate object that touches the ground, it keeps going down like electricity would?
Rose
@Nevyn i kinda wanna try that sometime just to see what would happen 😛
Nevyn
put the sigil I posted last night on it before you do then…
Rose
i mean, on something that’s electric, not expensive, and that i don’t have in use
Rainsong
Put it this way: I’ve destroyed a lot of electronics. I’m not the only one who has routinely destroyed a lot of electronics…
Nevyn
I make them work better instead of destroying them 😀
Rose
i’ve never done that before if i remember correctly, so it’d be interesting to see if that would happen if I were to ground through something electronic…
Rose
what i have noticed is batteries tend to run dry quickly when they’re near me >.<
Rose
or degrade rather quickly
ShadowRain
Nevyn: unless you’re caught off guard
Nevyn
shush you
ShadowRain
Or your shields are funky
ShadowRain
Rose: yeah the battery draining is a thing
Rose
why does that happen?
ShadowRain
That’s Nevyn’s area
Nevyn
two primary reasons it could happen – either you’re drawing in the charge and converting it from electricity, or you’re interfering with the device in such a way that it’s having to keep redoing a process and thus uses more power. there are other possibilities, but those are the more common ones
Nevyn
Old warding method I used was actually powered off the battery of the device. that was fun
Rose
i’ve been through many smartphones because their batteries kept degrading over like half a year to the point where they wouldn’t last more than half a day
Rose
i never knew why
Rose
and why others didn’t have that problem
Rose
i ended up buying a smartphone with a battery that lasts 3 days
Nevyn
yeah, most likely interference rather than draw then
ShadowRain
FH went through phones like crazy till Nevyn started warding them… He’d straight up fry them though… Battery not lasting happened a lot too
Rose
FH?
Nevyn
Forest_Horns
ShadowRain
Forest_horns
ShadowRain
Yeah
Rose
okay
Rainsong
Shielding/Warding is our friend. 😀
Forest_Horns
waves
midnight
i thought my phones were just shitty samsungs…
ShadowRain
Lol
Rainsong
For example, my computer still functions. 😀
Rainsong
Hi, Forest Horns
Rose
it usually hasn’t affected my computer
Nevyn
https://giphy.com/gifs/hello-bear-ia7kRlpGe3IFq @Forest_Horns
ShadowRain
That sigil Nevyn posted, stick it near the battery, see if it helps
Rose
hi FH
Forest_Horns
Also temporarily broke the touch screen on the surface even after it was warded by nev
Rose
my smartphones glitch out too but i assume that’s because i tend to take them into the shower >.> but they’re waterproof phones.
Rose
also i drop my smartphone a lot… doesn’t help either
Forest_Horns
But that was completely my fault… I don’t want to test the waterproofing on my phone as so far its behaved very well
Nevyn
I drop my phone all the time. it tends to land very gently on the floor 😛
Rose
my current smartphone isn’t waterproof and yet it’s holding up fine against water.. o.O
Rose
@Nevyn do you do that consciously?
Nevyn
no
Rainsong
My former boss used to thumb-type emails while swimming laps. He kept the phone in a zipper-type sandwich bag.
Rose
i feel a lot better after grounding and centering…
Rose
my senses seem less “cloudy”
Nevyn
@ShadowRain you’ve been in more of the “new oec”…do they really not fucking teach centering anymore? 😛
Rose
and yeah Nevyn, from what i’ve seen, communities do still teach grounding, but not centering
ShadowRain
@Nevyn sorry just saw that. No one really knows what centering is, if you’re lucky they will have heard of grounding or more likely “cleansing”
Nevyn
https://giphy.com/gifs/facepalm-ultimate-efGdu6TfNg7eg
Rose
centering felt amazing
ShadowRain
People are more likely to do meditation than centering
Rose
when i once asked about centering in some communities, they told me to focus on my solar plexus and just hold focus on it
ShadowRain
And Rose yeah that’s not centering lol
Rose
yeah… but for the kind of centering you taught me, you seem to need to be familiar with the concept of having your subconscious locate what you need, without knowing where it is
Rose
i.e. all parts of you, without knowing how many there are, and where
Rose
same with grounding.. locate all the negative energy by just sensing for it
ShadowRain
Which…should also be taught :/
Rose
that concept doesn’t seem to be covered in the basics…
Rose
i somehow learnt it, i don’t even remember how
ShadowRain
It’s kinda related to the communicating with your subconscious thing [https://web.archive.org/web/20120221120316/http://psipog.net:80/art-communicating-with-subc.html]. The idea that your subconscious regularly takes care of details you don’t consciously know
Rose
yeah.. like, when centering, target: “all parts of me”. somehow it finds all the parts, then i consciously pull them in line
Rose
grounding. “all negative energy in me”. boop, lights up, can see where it is, start draining it away
Rose
i shouldn’t think about things like this when i am this tired
Rose
i’m just gonna end up confusing myself
ShadowRain
It’s good that you knew to do that though Rose
Rose
i don’t remember where i learnt it
Rose
or how i learnt it
Bluh
As I recall the oec was always pretty.shit at teaching centreing
Rose
i just had something happen while centering. I focus on all parts of me but some of them felt foreign… I pulled the ones that were part of me into the center, but not the ones that are foreign. What does that mean?..
Rose
i.. hope i didn’t throw anything important away
Turbo
Generally if something feels ‘not of you’ and you don’t know what it is, dumping it isn’t a bad idea
Rose
even if it’s something you see while centering meaning it’s probably a deep part of you?
Turbo
I’m not an authority on that so I can’t say one way or another with enough certainty
ShadowRain
Rose: just because you see it while centering doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a deep part of you
ShadowRain
I’ve come across not-me during centering
ShadowRain
I’ve also mistaken things for not-me and had to put them back :p
Rose
oh dear
Rose
@ShadowRain anything that felt like not-me, i basically chucked away
ShadowRain
Which is fine
ShadowRain
If you didn’t have a bad reaction to doing that they probably were not-you
Nevyn
they were her fucks. she has none left now 😀
ShadowRain
Trying to chuck something that is you usually feels like trying to get rid of something that is still attached, and it throws everything off and generally uncomfortable shortly after
ShadowRain
Lulz
Rose
it did feel weird
Rose
but not painful or anything
Rose
@Nevyn mind doing a quick system scan please to see if i didn’t chuck away anything, yknow, essential?
ShadowRain
nods if you’re used to having something not you in you for a long time, then getting rid of it can feel weird. If you get rid of something that is actually you… Well, my experience usually went something like this: “oh weird what’s that…I think I can get rid of it…ok…there I think. …oh fuck oh fuck ow apparently I needed that ug ow halp.”
Rose
it was more like
Rose
when i centered and focused on “all of me”
Rose
there were some pieces that were scattered far away but that felt strange and not fully like they were me
Rose
i collected them and centered them anyway, and that felt bad
Rose
so then i chucked them
ShadowRain
nods then most likely those were not you
Rose
let’s see, there’s still one piece i left in me
Rose
yeah, that’s not me either…
Rose
weird.
ShadowRain
In general anything that is not you, you’ll feel worse when you center with it and better when you center without it. And anything that is you you’ll feel worse when you center without it and better when you center with it.
Rose
hmm, found a stray “piece” that was me
Rose
this is so weird O.O
ShadowRain
Hehe
Rose
it’s almost like centering projects me somewhere, but i have no idea where that is
Rose
…the stray part i “picked up” looks like it’s malfunctioning.
Rose
i.. put it “outside” of me but near me. this is SO WEIRD
Rose
am i still doing this right? this feels like projection
ShadowRain
Hrm. Remember when you center to make sure “you” is centered over your physical body as well
Rose
okay, did that…
Rose
…now i need to rest. o.O
ShadowRain
Suddenly got tired?
Rose
already was, but doing that seems to have taken some effort..
ShadowRain
Ah
Rose
feels like that used a lot of energy
ShadowRain
It kind of looks like you’re using a good bit of energy to hold that piece you picked up where you decided to put it… I’m not sure it belongs that close to you
ShadowRain
Might try letting it go and see if it feels better
Rose
that does seem to help
Rose
why does everything need to be centered over my physical body? doesn’t that make projection harder?
ShadowRain
Because you are an incarnate being and tied to your body
ShadowRain
Projection is a temporary thing while you’re incarnate, your home base is your body because of how all the connections work
ShadowRain
Trying to center somewhere other than your physical body can strain those connections and throw things off
Rose
ugh, it’s really annoying when, when you’re grounding, energy clogs up and you have to de-clog it
Rose
any tips on that?
ShadowRain
Can you see a reason for it clogging?
Rose
maybe i’m making it flow out too fast?…
ShadowRain
Not sure in this case… Part of grounding is getting rid of gunk, it’s not just trying to put all your energy into the ground or something…
Rose
making it flow slower does seem to be helping…
Nevyn
try Rain’s “brushing” method too
Rose
what article’s that in?
ShadowRain
Pretty much all the ones on psc
ShadowRain
It’s one of the main methods she teaches whenever she teaches grounding
Dr. Strange Stuff
And I can attest to Rainsong’s brushing method. Both with a physical hand and with an energetic one (so you can do it in public and no one knows or sees you doing something weird)
Dr. Strange Stuff
And I have used an energetic maraca for the shaking method and that worked great as well 😀
Rose
okay, I just read about the rattling… seems i’ll need to buy a rattle, then.
ShadowRain
Box of tic tacs
ShadowRain
Or pill container, with beads or the pills something.
ShadowRain
Literally anything as long as it rattles
Bluh
Correct me if I’m wrong but you can even make a drum track work for that
ShadowRain
Or those little jingly bells
ShadowRain
Xero’och: probably easier to get specific stuff to clear with a rattle… Drums seem like they’d be more general? Idk though
Nevyn
the motion through the field is important, so be sure to let them flail as well