Date: April 27, 2019 (Saturday)
Seminar: Topic: Lucid Dreaming- Saturday, 27 April 2019 at 6:30pm/1830hr New York Time — text format in the PSC #lecture room (Discord) — Instructor: Rainsong– Search LECTURE72
Rainsong: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Rainsong: Welcome to another seminar here at the social club.
Rainsong: Our topic for the evening, is Lucid Dreaming. (And for logging purposes later, this is LECTURE72 )
Rainsong: Is usual, we’ll be discussing real-world stuff, rather than gaming, so if you’ve suddenly discovered you’re not in the Discord server you thought you were in, things might be a bit weird
Rainsong: Also, as usual, we’ll start with a friendly definition, to make sure we’re all on the same page, at least for the purposes of this discussion.
Rainsong: “Lucid dreaming” refers to dreaming during which you are aware that you’re dreaming.
Rainsong: Often, you can also take control of the dream, but not necessarily.
Rainsong: Questions so far? Commentary?
ceahhettan: None here. You addressed the one bit that I was going to say something, as that I’ve seen some places use being able to control it as the bar for it being lucid dreaming, but I think that’s more of a technicality and me being nit-picky than anything else.
Rainsong: Yeah, I’ve seen that “bar” set, also. And often. It’s not an accurate bar. If you know you’re dreaming and are aware that you are therefore asleep – even if you can’t do anything about it — you’re lucid dreaming
ceahhettan: Yeah. I mean, being able to do something is the next useful step.
ceahhettan: But I agree wholeheartedly that it’s not the minimum and not the bar.
Carmen: actually it’s not so much not being able to, it just doesn’t occur to you
ceahhettan: Ehhhh– I’ve had instances and know others who have had instances where they are aware they’re dreaming, aware they’re asleep, try to control things, and it doesn’t work, even though it does occur to them.
Carmen: really? i’ve had the opposite
ceahhettan: So I would beg that it depends largely on the circumstances and the individual on that point.
Carmen: well, guess i learnt something 😀
Chirotractor: I seldom feel the need to control things when I’m lucid
ceahhettan: Again, that largely can vary as to individual experience. Also, some dreams may be harder to influence than others, or your sub-conscious may still be resistant because the dream is processing in a way that changing could interfere with.
ceahhettan: Lucid dreaming, useful for knocking yourself out of nightmares, if you can grasp the thread of lucidity.
Carmen: eh, I’ve ended up stuck in the nightmare, knowing it wasn’t real but still stuck in there
Carmen: I’ve also been trapped in a dream by an air spirit drawing me back in every time i was about to wake up and dilating dream time
Carmen: sorry.. may have interrupted the thread of the lecture, @Rainsong ?
ceahhettan: (Just as much my fault. Anyway.)
Rainsong: Not to worry. Let’s take an informal discussion approach to this evening’s topic.
Rainsong: It looks like that might be the most useful for this group
Rainsong: You can dilate time in your dream, yourself, you know.
Rainsong: Or, rather, it’s possible to do
Carmen: mmm, one of the reasons I’m keep to develop the skill
ceahhettan: Makes sense, yes. One of the things I used to do when I got that thread of lucidity when I was dreaming was then manifest a VCR remote (shush), with which I’d pause or slow down the dream-time.
Carmen: did you steal that from Click?
Rainsong: Who’s CLick?
Carmen: it’s a slightly cheesy movie
ceahhettan: I don’t even know what it is other than assuming–
ceahhettan: Anyway that was probably fifteen years ago now.
ceahhettan: I eventually stopped with the visualization as it became less necessary.
Rainsong: Visualizations like that are useful, especially for letting your subconscious know what “you” want it to do.
ceahhettan: Yeah. Repeated practise makes it less necessary depending upon, but the usefulness is part of why I brought it up. It’s a good place to start.
Carmen: time turner for me if i get the chance… heavily modded
Rainsong: It’s not so different from showing a young horse that you want him to step over the poles on the ground, early in hunter-jumper training, if he hasn’t seen the other members of the herd do it. Let him know what you want, in clearly demonstrated terms, and there is less frustration for both of you
Rainsong: Sure, a time turner would be appropriate
Carmen: Oooo or a console like in sao. I bet if you’re into coding hacking a dream would be perfect
Rainsong: That’s an option, also
Rainsong: It may sounds cheesy and stupid, but directly telling yoruself that you intend to adjust the speed of your dreams by, for example, using a time turner during your dream, can in fact help you accomplish exactly that.
Rainsong: Best time to tell yourself such things is typically while you’re in process of falling asleep or right as you’re waling up… in the morning, during the night, etc
Carmen: or getting in the habit of just talking to your subconscious in general
Rainsong: Or, go the old-fashioned route and use self-hypnosis.
Rainsong: Indeed. Having a good line of communication open between the various “parts” of the mind is a good thing
Rainsong: Any other questions or commentary about lucid dreaming?
Rainsong: If you’re into telepathic stuff, you can use lucid dreaming as a sort of conference call
Rainsong: Or play video games
Carmen: well how do you do it was my main question? i know writing down dreams and periodically checking if you’re awake, but beyond that i have no idea and my lucid dreams are very few and far between
ceahhettan: I’m sitting here pondering the pathway to use to maybe use lucid dreaming as a route to work on night terrors, but that’s a little more involved and such, and so anyone else’s shit can come first. Let’s start at the beginning, hm.
ceahhettan: I mean, one of the biggest parts is again the same sort of repeating to yourself at night as you’re falling asleep, “tonight I will lucid dream”, etc.
ceahhettan: (I’m gonna step back and take a phone call– Shabbat is over on the east coast and I have to start checking in with folks. @Rainsong, if I don’t make it back, thank you for the lecture!)
Rainsong: Or, similarly, self-hypnotic suggestion.
Rainsong: (Be well, Ceah!)
ceahhettan: (Or, well, “over”, since it’s not sundown yet, but some less observant folks will be using phones again especially given the events of the day. I’ll try. I’m… angry, but that’s for somewhere else than the middle of a lecture.)
Carmen: kay, so all the power here is with the sunconcious
Rainsong: That is the case, yes.
Rainsong: Some people use special music recordings, and also keep some kind of object they can “check” periodically to see if they are awake.
Rainsong: Typically they choose something with complex writing or symbols on it, because many people have a hard time holding text and numbers steady in dream visuals.
Rainsong: For those who don’t, this is not as useful
Carmen: yes, but even if i leave posit notes all over my house with “are you awake” on them it won’t help because they won’t be there in the dream
Carmen: and if i ask the same uestion enough it just becmes rote and therefore useless. i write down my dream checks but ill usually look back and not remember writing most of them down
Rainsong: Dream memory doesn’t generally hold very long once you’re fully awake, true enough.
Chirotractor: Comes back when youre sleeping again sometimes
Rainsong: Unfortunately, other than offering the usual suggestions for facilitating it, I’m not likely to be able to give any really useful advice on getting lucid dreams to work. I’ve always just had them.
Rainsong: Chiro: true
Carmen: sigh worth asking
Rainsong: Quite. And there are enough folks in the community who do it, someone else might be able to offer advice that might be more useful
Carmen: I think I just need to do it, rather than hoard advice at this point
Carmen: but thank you for the lecture, i did learn
Rainsong: Thanks for participating
Chirotractor: The yoda advice comes in handy i think
Chirotractor: You can get so much more caught up in trying than doing
Carmen: trying is just the wool gathering before you do it
Carmen: same as worry, but before you don’t do it
Rainsong: Any further comments and/or questions?
Carmen: none from me
Rainsong: Thanks for participating in the discussion, everyone 🙂
Raggiedmon: a intresting thing to try before sleep is awake dreaming, basicly lay there an make up a story line while yer getting to sleep, sometimes for me at least that storyline ends up being a dream that night
Raggiedmon: its not lucid dreaming but can lead to fairly cool dreams
strider: I used to do that all the time as a kid. Of course it was usually just falling asleep during a daydream lol.