Instructor: Rainsong
Date: December 7, 2019 (Saturday)
Seminar: Topic: Remote Viewing, yep, more of it (because I feel like it) — Saturday, 7 December, 2019 at 6:30pm/1830hr New York Time — text format in the PSC #lecture room (Discord) — Instructor: Rainsong — Search LECTURE105
Rainsong: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Rainsong: Welcome to another psionics seminar here at the social club
Rainsong: Our intended topic for the evening is remote viewing, adding onto our knowledge
Rainsong: In terms of friendly definitions, by “remote viewing”, I mean the use of any of several formal protocols for military-style psychic espionage
Rainsong: Any comments or questions? Indeed, is anyone up for tonight’s seminar?
Mulberry: I’m up for it. I don’t want to take your time if I’m the only one though.
Rainsong: Cool. Are you at all familiar with military RV? Generally it makes more sense to gear the details to the audience, after all.
Mulberry: I haven’t had any real materials, I just know of it and how it was used in WWII. The people involved do interviews and books about it now and then
Mulberry: As a qigong healer, they also teach you do do remote healing, which is sort of similar, but focuses on a person not thier surroundings
Rainsong: That’s entirely fair. Would you like an introductory class on it, or would you prefer a different topic?
Mulberry: I’m inclined to carry on regardless. I’m an occultists, unless the terminology is very different I think I’ll manage, and I can say if I’m wrong about that
Wayfarer: Terminology likely to be very different but you can map them along. The military and military contractors are big on sanitizing things to impress important people who wear suits to work.
Mulberry: THat makes sense
Rainsong: The terminology for the type we’re discussing can get weird, mostly because it’s a military discpline with political implications in its country of origin (United States of America… Other countries also use much the same technology, with various sets of terms that may or may not seem logical at the time)
Mulberry: Alright
TehOldeSourcerer: Hi, sorry I was grocery shopping
Rainsong: “CRV” originally stood for “coordinate remote viewing”. These days, it can also be read as “controlled remote viewing”
Rainsong: Hi, Wayfarer 🙂
Rainsong: Hi, TehOldeSourcerer
Rainsong: 🙂
Rainsong: The “coordinates” in question were originally geographical coordinates, with degrees and minutes and seconds, north/south and east/west
TehOldeSourcerer: I have had some more free time lately so I’ve had time to do sigil stuff
Rainsong: The problem with using geographical coordinates is that someone might be able to determine what’s there by guessing the location
Mulberry: Right and they like to do blind tests
Rainsong: Blind tests are better for scientific research, and for impressing the people in the fancy suits…. but also it is easier for the psychic to work with, and for the analysts to figure out how accurate the details were likely to be (for the details they don’t already have)
Rainsong: For espionage, if you can only judge the accuracy of the information you already have confirmed, it’s not very useful
ceahhettan: Evening folks.
Rainsong: Hi, Ceah
Rainsong: To be clear, remote viewing uses clairvoyance. And there are many other completely legit uses of clairvoyance
Rainsong: And many of those choose to start from already knowing what it is they are trying to look at
Rainsong: But that can result in guessing.
Rainsong: Rather, it does result in guessing
ceahhettan: Definitely. Or if not knowing what you’re looking at without the protocol it often results in some pretty meaningless nonsense.
Mulberry: And it’s hard to tell the difference. Guessing is the part I’d like to learn to avoid
Rainsong: Aside from risking self-deception by getting really good at cold-reading, it makes it very difficult to sort the imaginary stuff from the logical part of your mind from the actual psychic data coming through
Rainsong: The protocols for RV are deliberately complicated, partially to give the “guessing” part of the mind something to do, to keep it out of the way of the psychic part, and also to make it easier to separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff
Mulberry: I’ve tried to project to a friends garage before, seen it the way I last saw it physically, only to find they’d redecorated – I didn’t pick up on that at all.
ceahhettan: Your mind filled in the blanks from information it already knew.
Mulberry: Yes. All assumption on my part.
Rainsong: The human mind really likes to fill in gaps in patterns, to come up with something coherent.
Rainsong: That’s how it’s supposed to work.
Rainsong: So, we just use an assortment of methods to distract the guessing part, and getting it doing something else.
Rainsong: That part of the mind also really, really likes to be in charge of what’s going on. So the distraction also helps stop it from micro-managing
Mulberry: That sounds ideal
Rainsong: In most variants of written RV, the stuff that the analytical part of the mind deals with is written on the right side of the paper, and the stuff the psychic-y part of the mind is dealing with is written on the left… or towards the left, depending on the stage in the process. (There are also some variants that are spoken and recorded, but do not start with those unless the written version is not possible for some reason)
Rainsong: The tools used are a black pen (preferably gel roller or felt-tip) and plain letter-size or A4 paper: no lines, no grids
Rainsong: In the later stages, modeling clay is sometimes used, and sometimes map-dowsing or pendling comes into play as well (so, add a map, a pendulum, and whichever set of tools you favour for map-dowsing)
Mulberry: It’s good to write things, I can forget them, like a lost dream if I don’t, but then writing pulls me out of trance. I guess that’s a practice thing?
Rainsong: You start with the administrivia: name, date, time, location, any circumstances that might affect your state of mind, any wild-ass guesses as to what the target might be, and any personal issues such as fear of failure, the fact that you’re on a battlefield and it’s a bit distracting, and so on
Rainsong: (It was originally meant for use by special operations personnel, but political interference stopped it from being implemented in that manner)
Rainsong: If they aren’t recorded immediately (within seconds), they’ll get lost and distorted, aside from losing almost all the research value
Mulberry: Right
Rainsong: Everything gets recorded, including the wild-ass guesses. It’s just that they go on the righthand side of the page, and are labeled (usually as AOL) and a quick break is taken after recording them
Rainsong: Trying to ignore a wild-ass guess will backfire.
Mulberry: I see
Rainsong: And, sometimes they are correct
Rainsong: Even when they are not correct, they often contain pieces that are useful, and which can be probed later
Mulberry: Because the analysts have more info to check against?
Rainsong: Actually no, even before the analysts get their hands on it. The person doing the viewing session can pull more data out of them in later parts of the session
Mulberry: AH ok
Rainsong: After the admin bits, in many variants, the viewer puts the issues and guesses aside before starting to view, so they don’t get in the way as much
Rainsong: Then, the viewer writes the coordinates down and makes a squiggle known as an ideogram
Rainsong: There is controversy about these. Some people heavily favour memorizing a set of them, and some people heavily favour just letting it squiggle
Rainsong: Alongside the squiggle, you jot down a description of the feeling and a quick description of the gestalt (the overall concept of the target)
Rainsong: Then comes the second stage, in which you jot down descriptors: adjectives, almost exclusively. Occasionally an adverb
Rainsong: Anything noun-like is suspect and treated as a guess
Rainsong: Yep, you guessed it: it goes over on the right side, labeled as “AOL”, which stands for Analytical OverLay (a fancy way of saying “wild-ass guess”)
Rainsong: Colours, textures, smells, sounds, temperatures, sizes, dimensions, movement
Rainsong: It’s important to keep the eyes open, and not to let the pen hover over the page
Rainsong: Pen-hovering encourages the imagination to take over.
Rainsong: so does closing the eyes
Mulberry: Interesting
Rainsong: For beginning practice, it’s good to just go that far.
Mulberry: I do both those :blush:
Mulberry: Hovering and eye closing
Rainsong: Do a few dozen just through stage 2 like that before going on to stage three
Rainsong: For some purposes, such as “associative remote viewing” to answer a binary question, just Stage 2 is often enough
Rainsong: For that, two target photos are chosen. One for “yes” and one for “no” (or up and down, or pizza and not-pizza, or whatever).
Rainsong: Obviously, you as the viewer are not the one to choose the photos
Rainsong: You run a quick viewing session, and whichever picture fits the data better is presumed to indicate the answer
Rainsong: You’re shown the correct photo as feedback after the correct answer is known
Rainsong: And it’s that feedback that you’re actually targetting
Rainsong: It’s a little convoluted to explain, but a useful technique, regardless
Rainsong: Questions and commentary so far?
Mulberry: So at some point a question is posed?
Rainsong: Yes. We’ll take an example to simplify the explanation. 🙂
Rainsong: Let’s pretend that Ceah wants to know whether they ought to plan on pizza or kimchee for supper next Tuesday, and they’ve asked you to get the answer for them
Rainsong: Ideally, you’d have an assistant handling the targetting for this. Let’s pretend I’m assisting you
Rainsong: So, I’d pull two photos out of my target pool.
Rainsong: We’ll say one’s Westminster Cathedral and one is a Eurasian red squirrel on a pine branch
Rainsong: I assign “pizza” to the picture of the cathedral and “kimchee” to the squirrel, and tuck both pics in an envelope with Ceah’s question, and a coordinate on the outside of the envelope
Mulberry: Oh, I think I see where that’s going
Rainsong: I favour an eight-digit coordinate convention, using dates. So we’ll call it 1912-0703
Rainsong: I give you that coordinate set, and you run your session
Rainsong: Let’s further pretend that your gestalt is “natural biological”, and you have a bunch of descriptors like “small, fuzzy, warm, brown, grey, white, pink, furry, moving, chittering”
ceahhettan: also I want kimchi now
Rainsong: You’d hand the papers to me, I’d compare the description to to the two pics, and figure “aha, Squirrel!” and relay “Kimchee” to Ceah
Rainsong: Next Wednesday, I’d show you the squirrel pic as feedback
Mulberry: How do the coordinates help?
Rainsong: They give the session an ID without prejudicing the viewing
Mulberry: I see
Rainsong: If I asked you, “Should Ceah order pizza or kinchee for their dinner party?” you wouldn’t be using psychic ability to answer
TehOldeSourcerer: Quick question regarding RV training, when you are given a coordinate and there are two images for the exercise, one being the target and the other one not is that an exercise in honing in on a target? I did a few such exercises with two images and did notice I’d mix things from both images in the RV analysis, and slightly less with subsequente tries
Rainsong: Generally, you want ot keep the targets separate. And keep sessions separated by at least half an hour…. preferably more
Rainsong: In the example of ARV above, the picture the viewer would be targeting is the one I show them next Wednesday.
Rainsong: Not the two in the envelope
Rainsong: If you have two of them, like you describe, the information will bleed together and increase your error rate
Rainsong: Especially if one of them is more interesting to you than the other
Mulberry: In this example, where was the answer coming from? Does the assistant make the decision?
Rainsong: Counter-example, let’s pretend you’re the secretary of state for your country and you’re having a super-secret meeting with someone and you don’t want anyone else remote viewing your meeting….
Rainsong: … Arrange the meeting near something that’s “interesting” and emotion-filled: a room in a brothel, a skybox at the Superbowl, something along those lines
Mulberry: Oh haha, that’s rather good
Rainsong: The assistant conveys the data to the ‘client” (Ceah, in this case), and the data conveyed in this case is simply “kimchee”. I’m not sure what criteria Ceah’d have for which one turned out to be “correct”…. maybe the location of the restaurant relative to where they were able to park? They’d let me – as the assistant – know after the fact.
Rainsong: So if kimchee turned out to be a bad idea, I’d have shown you the cathedral instead
ceahhettan: I mean there’s a really interesting point as to why all the cold war era spy shit happened in and around bigger interesting places, with that.
ceahhettan: I’d be typing more but kitten.
Rainsong: And the KGB often had meetings in an office the floor below an active brothel
Rainsong: I believe they ran the brothel in question
ceahhettan: if it’s the one I’ve read about, yes.
Mulberry: That’s good to bear in mind, but as the viewer, you don’t have a way to know what’s noise and what’s the target
Rainsong: You do a lot of practice runs, with verifiable (aka “hard”) targets, and score the accuracy, and you’ll eventually have a pretty good idea…
Rainsong: but accuracy is the analyst’s problem
Rainsong: The viewer’s job is just to follow the procedure
Mulberry: Ah ok. And I guess if your target is alone doing something very interesting, you’re golden 🙂
Rainsong: Yep 🙂
Mulberry: Can this be used to target points back or even forward in time, or is it a present-moment thing only?
Rainsong: ARV as described is always forward in time.
Mulberry: Can it be used to read text or is that too detailed?
Rainsong: A friend of mine used to do archeological targets for some archeaologists, so backward in time is also possible
Rainsong: BAckward is easier than forward, because forward sometimes gets messed around by doing something to change it
Mulberry: That sounds fair
Rainsong: “Oh, these results look like the (insert opposeing army here) are going to blow up our convoy at (insert bridge here)” If that regiment changes their marching orders to avoid that bridge as a result, and doesn’t get blown up, was the viewing wrong?
Mulberry: Interesting. You’ll never know
Mulberry: The risk reward ratio on just avoiding the bridge is pretty low though
Rainsong: Yea
Rainsong: Of course, it’s generally regarded as stupid to rely on a single source of intelligence, but again, risk/reward….
Rainsong: Some people practice by using this stuff for gambling. One of my instructors bets on horse-racing, another plays the stock market…
Rainsong: Lyn Buchanan suggests baccarat
Rainsong: Obviously, anyone with addiction issues or gambling problems should avoid this
Rainsong: (Another example of not being stupid)
Unicornzilla: I am confused as to how remote viewing can be used for gambling in the first place
Rainsong: Associative Remote Viewing can be used to determine which horse will win a given race, or which hand to place a bet on in baccarat
Rainsong: … whether to hold or sell a certain stock at a given time…
Rainsong: and so on
Rainsong: I imagine it would be more difficult for something like poker, and it’s very complicated for picking lottery numbers
Rainsong: With baccarat, you only have to determine whether the player or the bank will win, or if they will tie (so use three pics, instead of two)
Rainsong: Do half a dozen sessions, play half a dozen rounds, and you’ll have a clear indication of what was correct afterward, so feedback is easy
Rainsong: That’s the easy one.
Rainsong: I’m not really as clear on the specifics of the other two.
Rainsong: For the horses, you could just run a regular session and compare the data to the names of the horses scheduled to run. (Race horses have conveniently strange and distinctive names)
Unicornzilla: nods. thanks for explaining
Rainsong: Of course 🙂 That is, of course, the purpose of a seminar 🙂
Rainsong: Any other questions and comments?
Mulberry: Not for now. Thank you for that 🙂
Rainsong: You’ll notice in the #rules-announcements room, there are practice targets posted. Feel free to use those for practicing with. They are basic “hard”/verifiable targets, and the feedback is posted on a separate weebly site I set up for that purpose
Mulberry: Ooh, that’s cool
Rainsong: I also have a basic template for a layout for CRV to give you an idea of how to lay it out. There’s more than one correct way to do it. This one is based pretty closely on the handbook Dr Smith assembled at Fort Meade
Mulberry: I’d love to try that. I’m thinking of ways to practice without an assistant if I can as well. Maybe I could use a local art gallery or botanical garden, RV when they change exhibits, then physically go and see how the data matches or doesn’t
Rainsong: Sure. It helps to have several “decoy” targets, if you are setting your own targets (as opposed to using practice targets set up by someone else)
Rainsong: The targets I posted are there exactly for people to practice with
Mulberry: Those seem ideal to start with.
Rainsong: There’s been almost no traffic to the site, so I know they haven’t been used, but they are there
Rainsong: You need to use the link in the chatroom. A Google search – even with the site name – will not get you there.
Rainsong: It’s not private or anything… just really buried under car-related stuff, because “CRV” is also a car
Rainsong: http://rainsongs-rv-stuff.weebly.com
Rainsong: Looks like we’ve come to the end of today’s seminar
Rainsong: Thanks for participating, everyone
Mulberry: Sorry I was called away.. thank you very much for all that. I will be trying the practice links. I think I’m going to hate how bad I am to start with but will hopefully improve over time 🙂
Rainsong: The early stages are not very detailed. Follow the procedure, and then compare the data.
Rainsong: If you get “pink”, see if there is any pink in the photo, it’s correct
Wayfarer: Some of the older seminars have some sessions I’ve run I believe.
Rainsong: Very true 🙂
Rainsong: Incidentally, if you get the same ‘descriptor” several times, write it several times.
Rainsong: do not edit something out just because it’s shown up before
Wayfarer: Also it’s worth mentioning, the first time you “get it” will probably be one of the best sessions you’ll ever run. There’s a tendency for people to do really, really well at first, because they’re using new perceptual channels and the brain doesn’t know what to do with the data.
Wayfarer: After that you’ll suddenly slope off and do really badly, because your brain has figured out the information and so it starts trying to analyze this.
Wayfarer: This is super normal and usual, do not be discouraged.
Rainsong: Yep. It might be one session, or it might be a few, but there will be a sudden drop as the two parts of the mind sort out how to work together. Dont worry about it. Just keep practicing, following the structure/procedure/protocol
Mulberry: That explains that in other paradigms I’ve tried, like lucid sleep supplements – work well the first time and not again
Rainsong: Anytime you’re trying to get both parts of the mind to play nicely together, you’re going to run into that issue, until they have worked out an understanding
Mulberry: That’s encouraging that they can get there though 🙂
Rainsong: Yep. Just let it take some time.
Rainsong: It’s totally normally and expected. Nothing to be concerned about, even if sometimes it feels discouraging.
Wayfarer: Yeah. Okay so real quick related summary bit: any time you’re experiencing anything, you’re getting sensations that your brain then interprets. What you actually experience is your brain’s interpretation of the data, not the data itself. When you look at these words on the monitor, your mind is actually putting them together and reassembling them as the experience of words – the actual sensations are just lights on eyes.
Rainsong: I have a huge collection of stock photos I can legally use for this, so I can post as many as people will use. Let me know if/when you’re running low on practice targets
Wayfarer: So, when you do lucid sleep stuff it’s much more your mind. When you do astral projection, it’s half your mind, half your energetic body’s interactions with a plane. When you look at the laundry, same thing – half sensation, half mental activity.
Rainsong: I’ll post the feedback for the current ones, probably tomorrow.
Rainsong: Except for the earliest batch, they are pdfs, so you don’t have to worry about “accidentally” seeing one you haven’t done yet
Wayfarer: When you RV, or do any kind of clairvoyance or clairaudience or clair*, you are adding your own mental activity in there. It’s why clairvoyance isn’t normally picture perfect – you can’t picture-perfect experience a place if your brain can’t construct the image, and if you aren’t getting 100% information, or at least enough information to recognize it, your brain can’t fill in the gaps.
Wayfarer: In fact, your brain is filling in the gaps constantly, even when you’re actually looking at stuff with your physical eyes.
Mulberry: I’m also wondering about the interaction of the astral plane with the physical, and how it’s reported that the one can be out of sync with the other. E.g. move the furniture but the astral version doesn’t change right away
Mulberry: And I wonder if the remote viewer could get those two mixed up
Wayfarer: The advantage in RV is that you are using a protocol and a structure to deliberately keep your brain from trying to fill in gaps.
Wayfarer: That means the information you have is less fucked up, you’re not adding anything to it, you’re only reporting what you’re getting from it.
Mulberry: Right, that’s what you want, for sure
Rainsong: oooh, speaking of: good practice for RV includes describing a picture you’ve got in front of you, in as much detail as possible, but without using any nouns. There’s an endless supply of pictures on the internet. Just grab some and practice describing. It’ll help your RVing
Wayfarer: The information you’re getting from it is the actual intelligence data. You let the men in suits figure out the shit to add to it, that’s above the viewer’s pay grade.
Wayfarer: Different topic entirely but yes the astral and physical don’t tend to be in perfect harmony. Usually the degree and kind of… strength of the change in one will echo to the other over time but it takes a while to propagate. But “the astral” isn’t perfectly overlaid anyhow and it gets complicated – there’s a “near astral” and a “far astral” and a kind of “purely mental” plane and they have different degrees of overlap and interaction.
Wayfarer: Major changes in the physical world tend to propagate up fairly quickly because the astral is extremely malleable – but changes in the astral take a long time to propagate down (or a lot of oomph) because the physical world is more dense.
Wayfarer: Generally speaking, dense influences subtle better than subtle influences dense.
Mulberry: Right
Wayfarer: This is why there’s some benefit to ritual activities and folk magic – you’re giving a physical medium that helps it propagate back down.
Mulberry: That’s a good way of explaining that
Rainsong: Water poured into a glass vessel takes the shape of the vessel immediately… water cutting into rock can take hours or weeks or years
Wayfarer: It’s why you need to make sure a situation is enchantable before you ask a demon for help – if there’s nothing the demon can do, there’s nothing the demon can do. You need to give them options.
Wayfarer: And with psychic stuff it’s why even though there’s no difference between psychicing someone arm’s length away or 1000 miles away, it still helps to have a physical focus to help sort of target that other person.
Mulberry: Makes sense
Mulberry: Getting into a deep enough trance, is that something the military found good techniques for?
Rainsong: On the one hand, most RV doesn’t involve deep trance.
Rainsong: On the other, yes, the military found some very effective methods of inducing very deep trances
Mulberry: Oh interesting
Rainsong: Not necessarily on the same projects
Mulberry: I think not all my sources are accurate 🙂
Rainsong: In this kind of topic? There will be some deliberate disinformation out there, some that’s honest but mistaken, some that’s accurate, and some that’s industrial grade bullshit
Wayfarer: There are RV methods that involve deep trance but they are “Extended RV” and not CRV. They also generally involve specially trained monitor-viewer teams and such. But the military folks spent a lot of time working with the Monroe Institute and developed some very effective methods.
Rainsong: We try to be as accurate as possible here
Rainsong: (But inaccuracies will still get through.)
Wayfarer: Not from this guy.
Wayfarer: I’ve never made a mistake in my life.
Wayfarer: :v
Mulberry: :thumbsup: I’m grateful to have found you though, it’s been a bugbear that I didn’t figure this out yet, and the exercises I have done, I can’t tell if I’m imagining things
Mulberry: I’m an analytical thinker 🙂 I like these methods
Rainsong: Welcome to our little corner of the internet 🙂
Mulberry: 🙂