Instructor: Rainsong
Date: January 15, 2004 (Thursday)
RainTurtle Good evening, all. Tonight we are going to discuss some of the medical issues related to the practice of psionics
RainTurtle If you are not here to participate in a Psionics seminar, this would be a good time to leave
Aphanas Evening, Rain.
RainTurtle Tonight’s seminar will not have any practice segments. It is only discussion.
RainTurtle Any questions before we begin?
Aphanas None here.
GuardianX None here.
PsionJuggalo im fine
Jael No questions yet
RainTurtle Tonight we are going to discuss some of the medical issues related to the practice of psionics
RainTurtle Tonight’s seminar will not have any practice segments. It is only discussion.
RainTurtle In some ways, this is a follow-up on Andy’s seminar. In other ways, I’m doing the proverbial “preaching to the choir”.
RainTurtle I am not a medical doctor. My only medical training, beyond first-aid courses, is veterinary…and only at the assistant-level, at that, not a vet
RainTurtle Therefore, the sort of medical stuff we’ll be discussing is not “cool complicated stuff”, more of a “Mother-hen on over-drive”…
RainTurtle First of all, the obvious. The practice of psionics can kill you.
RainTurtle For reasons that are yet to be established, psionic activity lowers the blood levels of glucose (a kind of sugar that fuels the cells) and potassium (an electrolyte needed for nerve and muscle function)
RainTurtle It doesn’t make much difference whether your psionic practice is working, either, so don’t assume that you’re safe because the (insert expletive here) psiwheel is staring back at you, refusing to move
RainTurtle There does appear to be a connection to the intensity of the effort, and the length of time that effort spans.
RainTurtle Any of you care to guess the likely results of a sudden drop in blood glucose and potassium?
Aphanas Coma…
GuardianX Death…
Aphanas Or heart attack…
RainTurtle Very good, both of you
RainTurtle If any of you are familiar with Diabetes, you’ll recognise the basic concepts here
Dan Slug effect… Can’t walk, etc… Been there, done that. 🙁
RainTurtle Yup 🙁
Dan It does NOT have to be psi related!
RainTurtle Both conditions have a wide assortment of causes, although hypoglycemia (blood glucose too low) is generally associated with Diabetes
RainTurtle If you _have_ Diabetes, and choose to practice Psionics, be _very_ careful about your blood monitoring and so on
RainTurtle In psionic practice, these problems are most likely to occur with the practice of Psychokinesis in any form.
RainTurtle The following symptoms are signals that you really ought to stop and have a snack:
RainTurtle -irregular heartbeat
RainTurtle -weakness in the muscles
RainTurtle -cramps
RainTurtle -limpness
RainTurtle -thirst
RainTurtle -confusion
RainTurtle In the case of extended attempts at microPK games, one of the most common set of symptoms is dizziness and “heart pounding” as though you were just out shovelling snow after the season’s first blizzard
RainTurtle Questions, so far?
Raven none here
* Aphanas raises hand…
* Jael raises her hand
Andy_Hock Nope
psi-Sam Nope.
RainTurtle Aphanas?
GuardianX Nope.
Aphanas I was wondering how hard on glucose and potassium the “sensing” skills are (scanning, etc), or things like light trance states?
Andy_Hock Trance itself doesn’t affect them, does it? Just what you do in trance.
* Jael withdraws her question…Aphanas asked it 🙂
* psi-Sam raises hand
RainTurtle Trance itself is generally not a problem.
RainTurtle The sensing skills do affect the glucose and potassium, but it takes a longer session before problems show up
RainTurtle On the other hand…
RainTurtle when a problem _does_ show up, it is more easily missed until it has progressed to dangerous levels
psi-Sam Would having OBEs affect your potassium and glucose?
Aphanas Hmm… OK. Good to know, thanks. 🙂
Andy_Hock One thing to be concerned about while working psi in trance, though, is that you may not notice the “warning signs”.
* Aphanas raises hand for a comment on symptoms too…
RainTurtle If you intend to do “serious” scanning, and if you have a choice, having someone monitoring your condition is wise – either in person (preferable), or checking in with you, over the net
Aphanas *nods*
RainTurtle Psi_Sam: yes, it does
RainTurtle Aphanas?
Aphanas Another common symptom of low blood sugar can be tactile hallucinations (feeling like your skin is stretched too tight over the muscles, or little “prickly” feelings all over the skin, etc).
RainTurtle *nods* Thanks for bringing that one up
Aphanas NP.
PsionJuggalo about how long would it take an average person to get seriously damaged from doing pk like hwat youv been describing?
PsionJuggalo what*
RainTurtle Too many variables to answer that. Someone pushing really hard on an object _can_ get to the “cardiac arrest” stage in less than two minutes…..or they might “push” for hours and have nothing wrong except for a serious case of the munchies
RainTurtle In the latter case, I suspect that the person wasn’t accomplishing much
RainTurtle Arrrrg! I messed up. My list of symptoms was for the potassium, rather than glucose. Hypokalemia (blood potassium too low) tends to follow the glucose problem, but the time difference is close enough not to matter much
RainTurtle Since we’ve accidentally wandered across to the potassium situation, I’ll note here, that eating too much licorice can cause hypokalemia, according to one of the bits I was reading to review for this class
Dan 🙁
Dan Perhaps due to laxative effect.
RainTurtle Could be
* Aphanas raises hand with clarifying question…
RainTurtle mmhmm?
Aphanas Does that mean that laxative effects will dramatically reduce potassium counts?
RainTurtle Losing a lot of fluid will affect it, yes. And then, it cause further loss of fluid
* GuardianX raises hand.
Aphanas OK, good to know for people that are sick. Thanks. 🙂
RainTurtle GuardianX?
GuardianX As your body has adjusted to using energy to do it’s work. Is it possible for your body to adjust to the energy that is being used, ala Psychokinesis, after a amout of time of doing it?
RainTurtle Possible? Maybe. Never heard of it happening, even in people who practice regularly for decades, though
GuardianX Ok. Thanks. 🙂
RainTurtle Now, to correct my earlier mistep:
RainTurtle The symptoms for the _glucose_ being too low:
RainTurtle -hunger
RainTurtle -shakiness, nervousness, a sort of unexplained anxiety
RainTurtle -sweating
RainTurtle -dizziness, light-headedness
RainTurtle -feeling weak
RainTurtle -confusion, loss of fine motor skills, having trouble speaking
RainTurtle -sleepiness
RainTurtle Naps are good things. Comas are not.
RainTurtle We’ve gone over the symptoms of “something bad happening”.
RainTurtle Now, what to do about it.
RainTurtle This is where the ubiquitous Orange Juice comes in. A small snack of something high in both sugar and potassium.
RainTurtle Apple juice is also good. Even soda/pop/soft-drinks, as long as they are not the “diet” kind
RainTurtle You want to avoid fats or proteins, though, if at all possible. They slow down the digestion
RainTurtle Skim milk, fruit, sugar/hard candies….
RainTurtle Worry about the nutritional bits later, after the medical emergency has passed
RainTurtle Generally, the idea is to rest, and snack every fifteen minutes or so until recovered. If you are diabetic, you know all this…..
RainTurtle After the first snack, you can add things with protein and/or fat without problem
RainTurtle Questions?
Andy_Hock None here
Raven none here
GuardianX None here, all clear.
Aphanas None here at the moment.
Dan Nope
Jael No questions here
psi-Sam no
RainTurtle There have been cases on record in which the blood sugar spiked instead of lowering. In _that_ kind of case, call an ambulance.
RainTurtle Slight change of topic:
RainTurtle Other risks of the perceptive abilities, such as “scanning”
RainTurtle If you have been doing any extended scanning, Remote Viewing, or any other activity of that nature –especially if you do it in trance– don’t drive soon after doing so.
RainTurtle And don’t operate heavy machinery or go swimming, either
RainTurtle There is some risk of “going back into subspace” by accident.
RainTurtle It can be very inconvenient for your mind to suddenly be in Australia, while you body is driving a car down the 401 in Ontario at 120km/hr
RainTurtle (yes, I know that is above the speed limit, but it sure seems to be the normal speed there)
Dan 🙂
Aphanas Heh..
RainTurtle I’m told that the RVers who worked at Fort Meade were not allowed to drive themselves home from work if they worked more than one session in a day….for this reason
RainTurtle Questions?
Andy_Hock Nope
GuardianX None here.
* Aphanas raises hand…
RainTurtle The other more obvious risk to scanning, I have just been reminded, is that if you scan someone who does not wish to be scanned, and who can do something about it, you might get whapped upside the field
RainTurtle Aphanas?
Aphanas A curiosity… Rain, in cases where blood sugar has spiked, was there evidence as to whether the problem was due to the insulin glands not responding?
RainTurtle The only case I know of specifically was Ninel Kulagina…and I _think_ she had an underlying medical problem
Aphanas OK, so it may be due to medical complications in an individual then. Thanks.
RainTurtle *nods* No problem. good question
* Aphanas has another question, if no one else has any…
* Dan suggests that it is bet to not ASSUME it is due to other medical problems….
RainTurtle Go ahead
RainTurtle Dan: true. There are lots of variables that could account for the blip in the stats
Aphanas About how long should you give things after extended or involved use of perceptive abilities before using powered machinery, etc? Is there a recommended timeline, as in the drugs that have such warnings?
RainTurtle Unknown, as far as any certainty goes. Personally, I’d wait at least an hour, if it was a minor working….two, for regular stuff. And 24 for anything major
Aphanas *nods* OK, thanks. 🙂
RainTurtle And, I’d add time to all of those, for folks who are not overly experienced (say, a year or less of practice), so they have a better idea of their own body’s responses
RainTurtle Any other questions before we turn to the follow-up of the Healing seminar?
psi-Sam None here.
jaci not here
GuardianX None.
Raven none from me
Jael none here
Aphanas No more here.
Andy_Hock Nope.
RainTurtle The healing seminar seemed to have prompted some questions from various people who shall remain unnamed for the moment.
RainTurtle The range of possible effects in psionic healing is quite wide, really, but if you want to do anything beyond what was explained, you need to have knowledge of such subjects of Anatomy and Physiology.
RainTurtle For example, if you plan to mess around with Interferon production in your body (or someone else’s), you really should know what Interferon is…and what it does
RainTurtle As a related example, encouraging “growth” without specifying the details can result in some serious problems…including but not limited to increasing the size of a tumor
RainTurtle There is an idea floating around that Psi can only be used for “good” purposes, and so, if you mess up you won’t cause any harm.
RainTurtle Balony
RainTurtle If you have the ability to heal, you have the ability to kill. If you are going to mess around by trial and error, you would do well to bear that in mind.
RainTurtle Questions?
Andy_Hock None.
Aphanas Nope.
Jael None here.
* Raven shakes his head
jaci no
RainTurtle I guess that’s all for tonight, then. I apologise to all both for starting late and for going overtime.
RainTurtle Be well, and good evening
jaci Thankyou
Aphanas No problem, ’twas very interesting… thanks for taking the time to do it (disconnects and all). 🙂
Raven that’s cool. was a great class. 🙂 thanks
RainTurtle Thanks 🙂
Jael Very cool class, rain.
RainTurtle 🙂